Sounds great i will have to try that.
Comment By : ko
Does this work with teenagers and young adults as well?
Some seem to think they can power play everything into a win/lose situation.
Comment By : J Jenkins
Excellent! Sounds like my household. Very helpful information.
Comment By : Kim
This is great information; thank you!
Comment By : Wendy
I really think this is great and the biblical way.
Comment By : CHERIE
I only wish I had found this a few years back. I'm dealing with a teenager (15-girl) who had these melt downs. Seems like we are starting on the right track now that she knows she can't maniupulate me any longer. It's like breaking a wild horse. Just watch out for their friends who will try the smooth talk with you to give in. Not happening at this household.
Comment By : wj
This is the best advice I have ever heard, and it came out just when I need it the most. I am raising my ten-year-old grandson by myself and he is a master of manipulation. I am a weak disciplinarian and have such a difficult time standing my ground. This strategy is perfect and will give the power back to me. I am so grateful for this information. Keep up the great work.
Comment By : Texas Grandma
sounds like my houselhold too. but will that work w/ a 4 year old . who doesn't want to reason.
Comment By : mammy
The article sounds good. My daughter is 13 and pitches very big fits.
She was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. I don't know if this technique will work as easy for her but I am going to try it the next time she throws a fit.
Comment By : Nancy
What should you do when he says he is going out. You say no. He goes out anyway. He is 15yrs old.
Comment By : grandma
I have tried using these same techniques on my 14 year old ADHD son, but sometimes he gets so abusive that I just have to walk away in disbelief. What am I doing wrong?
Comment By : JB
i MEANT TO GIVE THIS A 5. tHIS SOUNDS JUST LIKE WHAT i AM GOING THRU W/ MY DAUGHTER RIGHT NOW.WE WILL GIVE THIS A TRY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THANKS :o)
Comment By : Bella
Does this work in the stepparent role as well? I've been told by non-professionals I should not take the lead, to "step" away so-to-speak.
Comment By : informationgal
Excellent aritcle. Cannot wait to try it on my son. I would swear you were watching through a keyhole when you wrote it. That is he exactly.
Comment By : nereida
The second issue is staying clam yourself. If you raise your voice or otherwise display over the top aggitation, it's over!
Comment By : casa
My son (16) is also diagnosed with bipolar and ODD. His outbursts are so bad that we have had to call he police numerous times. I'm at my wits end on what to do with him and how to handle him. I wish I had heard of this when he was younger and more easily managed. He has become very abusive the older he gets. He hates his step-father who has been in the home since he was 8. He absolutely refuses to listen to him and even yells at him and calls him horrible names. Just wanted to get this off my chest. I do love him, but I have never seen a child as manipulative and abusive as he is.
Comment By : Jen
I completely understand where this mom is coming from; I have a near 15 yr. old daughter that is the queen of manipulation and intimidation. Her behavior started around 4 yrs. and has well inflated ever since. I have had the police at my house many times, she thinks the whole “system” is a joke and no one can do a thing to her; because thus far nothing has been done even when she is punched her little sister or pushed me, other then the police telling her “if you don’t settle down your going to a foster home”. I have been doing the ignoring of the behavior as well; she definitely does not like it. She will continue to try to push my buttons and follow me around to get my attention. Some day, most day are pretty insane at my house. She has ADHD and ODD among other a few other DX’s. I have two other girls that also have ADHD one 19 and the other 12, they have never displayed anything even close to her behavior. Sorry, I didn’t mean to write a book here.
Comment By : Shel
My son willl be 7, the end of the month and this article hits the nail on the head. My son is an only child AND has ADHD and those two combinations make me want to pull my hair out most of the time. It's nice to know that my son isn't the only one who can be sweet as pie one minute and totally miserable the next, if he doesn't get his way.
Comment By : Chatty Cathy
My 7 yr old son is like some of the children I have read about. I still lose my cool with him when he just keeps talking back to me. I don't hit him or anything like that but he is rough. I am learning to walk away and I still have to learn to say what I mean and mean what I say. It is rough with an only child that is adopted with ADHD/ODD/FAS.
Comment By : Tammy
Dear Informationgal,
Just as with any parenting role, the most effective technique is for parents to work together. We recommend that parents continually confer with each other over establishing and changing important family routines and limits, and if it is necessary to come up with a corrective behavior plan that might include consequences, that too needs to be a joint effort between the parents. It is best to tell the child, for example, “Your father and I will talk about this and then we will all talk about it together.” In that way, it is recommended that all parents support each other. This is very important. It prevents the undermining of parental authority, a child’s ability to split the parent team and conflict between the spouses.
Parents supporting each other can look different if you are a stepparent. Unless the children are very young, it is most likely that your role as a stepparent is to support the birth parent in their choices regarding house rules and defer to the birth parent to actively implement discipline. Do not allow the birth parent to place you in the “bad cop” role while they play the “good cop.” Frequently step parents take charge when they perceive that the birth parent does not do an adequate job or does no disciplining at all. Don’t let the birth parent off the hook, but instead, in your supportive role, talk together when away from the children about your concerns and ideas to make changes and then step out of the interaction with the children, forcing the birth parent to play that active disciplining role. If you and your spouse cannot agree on discipline, leave the discipline to the biological parent. There are usually a lot of adjustments involved in blending a new family. Be patient with yourself and your new family members. Relationships take time to mature; you may find there is a comfortable naturalness to the interactions in family members that develops as time goes by.
Comment By : Carole Banks, LSCW and Manager, Parental Support Line
I am glad to see that someone from the Empowering Parents organization comments back at the end of the e-mails parents send in. It's good to vent but even better to have someone with some training to throw a little feedback your way.
Comment By : Cat
My younger sister, who is 20 years old, was born with mental retardation, and she as well is very manipulative. My mom can't deal with her, so she gives in. As a result, whenever something comes up, mom asks me to "make" my sister do something or whatever she needs. I fee like I am taking my mom's role, but somebody has to. When my sister needs to do something, and she refuses by yelling, getting angry, hitting walls, crying, threatning,just sitting and ignoring,(you just name everything possible and that's how my sister is). I've learned all of her manipulations, so I "manipulate" her (in a good way of course). I look for the reason why she refuses. I just let her know that she will not do "this or that" untill she does what she is being asked. Fore example, if she wants to go outside, I tell her that she won't go. If she wants to do something else, I just won't let her. I ignore her wild behaviors and just give her time to cool off. She learned about me as well. She knows that no matter what she does, I'll just say "no, not untill you do this". And I do it in a soft voice. It may take a while for every little thing we ask her to do, but she gives in at the end. She gives in faster when I tell her because she knows that I don't pay attention to her outbursts. However, it takes longer for mom to make her give in (that is if she'll succeed in winning).
Comment By : Daddy's girl
This article helps. My son is very manipulative (he's seven) and I appreciate the advice. I'll certainly try it!
Comment By : Marshall's marshal
I may not be a parent yet, but the article is very helpful in knowing what to do in order to start off correctly.
Comment By : :0)
sounds like a very normal family set up, my kids see it as very normal life routine! ihave a set of twins boy n gal.
Comment By : nomfi
awsome information, will definately try this.
Comment By : bec55
I just want to say that I have just started the program within the past 3 weeks and already see a difference...mostly in ME. Before getting this program I would have said that my kids (ages nearly 18 and 17) "just don't get it" but now I can say I "didnt get it" and now I do. Thanks to this program I am beginning to understand what is motivating their behavior and learning how to address it calmly and peacefully. The technique that I am using right now is disconnecting. Sometimes I even begin putting on my shoes to leave the house...when they see that it stops the show.I also am not renegotiating any curfew issues on the phone and standing firm. I am talking to my children differently...asking for their version of what went right and wrong about an incident and what they could have done better. It seems to defuse their anger and make them think (instead of me issuing commands and directives). It actually feels better..thank you .
Comment By : Linda B, in NJ
This article contained some information that I thought might be helpful for my 13 year old boy with ADHD,ODD,who is typically mid manered, but does suffer from outburst occasionally. I have a 16 year old boy, who I don't think it may work with. He does the yelling,name calling,interrupting while I'm talking, and gets right in my face to intimidate me all the while his friends (girls or boys) are present.He is very defiant,bad mouthed,disrespectful,and not setting a good exaple to my youngest.I want to call the police, but because he has allready been in trouble and trying(I think)to do better I beleive that would be counterproductive for him.
Comment By : Liane D, in ON
Update: my daughter told me last night that she will continue to engage in inappropriate and risky behavior until I give her the freedom and privileges she wants. I told her no privileges until she talks to me about some recent problems she is having. We are at a stalemate but having read the workbook and listened to the CDs gave me the strength to resist the manipulation and to see it for what it is. I was not upset and did not "freak out" at her threat as I would have in the past. Thanks.
Comment By : Linda B
* To Liane D in ON: I wanted to let you and other parents reading EP to know that James Lehman will be addressing disrespect and other hardcore behavior problems in upcoming issues. I believe he offers real, practical solutions that will help a lot of parents out there. Please keep reading--we know this is a tough problem for many of you, and we're going to be addressing it soon.
Comment By : Elisabeth Wilkins, Editor of Empowering Parents
I have a 14 yr old with ADHD and behavioral problems. I am looking forward to implementing this program (as well as with my 10 and 8 yr olds). I'll let you all know how we do!
Comment By : Lisa A.
My 14 yo son said a doozy last week, in answer to my statement, "I will not tolerate out-of-control behavior." He said, "I'm only out-of-control when I don't get what I want." I just stared at him and I think the silence startled him into actually hearing the absurdity of his statement. I'm just starting the program and I'm really excited about it...I think James has been living under my bed and knows my son better than I do!
Comment By : amber
my two childern are 11 months apart and they try to use my husband and i againest each other all the time. my son has ADD and has a very abustive attuide, but we cope with everything they think of but we also commucate alot.
Comment By : tigeress
I called the police on my 16-yr. old son when he was smaksing up our wooden swingset. This is before my exposure to TT (but it was the right thing to do). Since my only alternative is to physically fight him when something like that happens, I have to summon in a greater authority, in that case, the police. If the kid won't answer to us, or is a threat in the house, the police have to be brought it. This is not easy to do, and it is not always easy to know when the line has been crossed
Comment By : John B. in IL
HANG IN THERE! Last night the daughters boyfriend asked if she could come to Thanksgiving dinner. I told him no bcz she was still grounded for letting him in the house when I was not home...and she will be on punishment for awhile for their then having sex on my couch...He just stood there with his mouth hanging open. I called her inside and waited for the explosion...nothing...I waited...nothing...finally after 15 minutes I asked her if she was ok....and why no tantrum..She said "I'm tired and it doesnt get me what I want." I swear she said that,...Then I stood there with my mouth open...when I finally recovered I complimented her and told her that learning THIS was the way to redeem herself (not doing extra chores around the house). I still am in shock today...BUT I wanted to say HANG ON there is a small light at the end of the tunnel.
Comment By : LindaB
This article was really powerful and helpful.
Comment By : Brenda
My kids have been in (weekly & sometimes group)therapy for over a year and I now FINALLY feel strong enough to tell the therapists that we are going to take a break for awhile...Thank's to this program. Honestly, I was feeling so overwhelmed by my children's behavior that I just did not feel like I could handle it...so I took them to therapy in hopes that the therapy would "fix" things...It helped a
bit...But now I no longer feel out of control or unable to handle things. I feel stronger and more competent...Believe me, we still have problems on a daily basis but I feel that I can cope with them..Thank you Total Transformation...If I find that we need help I can always call the therapist for help...but I want a break for a few months to see how things develop...
Comment By : LindaB
This describes a daily occurrence at our house. I'm going to try these additional techniques. This program has been a life saver!
Comment By : jonniebones13
I have a stepson who bullys and threatens me. He's 7 yrs. old. I will definitely have to try this. The one thing that I have an issue with is that I have a 1 and 2 yr old and when I try to walk away, my boyfriend's kids follow me. It is definitely a power struggle. I was told this for attention and I have to learn to ignore them or tell them that no is no and mean it and that's it.....I just got the system and I'm waiting for it in the mail...I hope it comes soon, because these power struggles are draining on their father and I. He says I add to the problem and all I want to do is make things easier for us all.
Comment By : crazyathome
To Crazyathome: Relationships in blended families can be challenging. One helpful thing to remember is that the biological parent should play the leading role in choosing and implementing consequences for their own child. Step-parents support the biological parent’s decisions. If a step-child is bullying and threatening you, his father should discipline him. If his father is not present, you could say, “It’s not okay to make threats or behave in the way that you are behaving.” If kids follow when you try to walk away, do not continue to talk to them. Use James’ Disconnect technique where he advises to “Cut off communication immediately if a child is being disrespectful, obnoxious or abusive.” Power struggles can occur when a parent tries to force a child to do something right then and there, and the child digs in. Instead, step out of that struggle and give the child a choice. Tell them, “If you refuse to comply, there will be a consequence.” Stop talking to the child and let them have a moment to choose. You have effectively stopped the power struggle. Discuss the incident with the biological parent and allow him to decide on consequences and enforce those consequences.
Comment By : Carole Banks, LCSW and manager of the Parental Support Line
I am right now having that struggle. My son is demanding that I get him out of a grounding he got because he blatantly would not do his school work (I homeschool). I being the weakest link in the parent chain, was doomed the second my husband left to take my eldest son to church. He was telling me how mad he was at me and that all this was my fault for talking to my husband about his inappropriate behavior. I had been threatening him that I would tell his dad if he continued like he was. He did not care, he did not think I do it. This time I did. I know I was wrong not to do it a month ago, but I couldn't deal this time. I am so glad I came back to this site.We have the Total Transformation, and we started it, but only got to the first CD and then, I really don't know what happened. I emailed this article to my husbands work and told him that it was time to get it back out and really work at it and finish it.. Just this article has given me the confidence to stand up to him and just block out the tantrum he was throwing while I was reading the article. Thank You for this site.
It was a life saver tonight....
Comment By : Juls
This article was great! I have a manipulative 16 yo daughter, mainly because my ex lets her do whatever she wants to (she lives with him). Recently, I had a great moment due to your program, I actually felt like a mom again. My daughter had been allowed to stay the night at her boyfriends house and the boy had stayed the night at her dads house. When she stayed with me, she wanted to stay overnight at the boys house. I said no, gave her other options and walked away. She had a fit, packed her things and walked out. Next thing I know, her dad calls me and tells me that it is now in his hands and he let her spend the night at the boys house. So the next time she came to my house, I sat her down and told her my rule. I said I cant control what happens at other peoples homes but when she is at my house, it will never be acceptable to spend the night at her boyfriends. So she schemed and lied to me the very next day about spending the night at a girlfriends house. I had a feeling something was up. Later that night I showed up at the girls house she was supposed to be at and of course she was not there. So I went immediately to the boys house (at midnight. I was shaking and my heart was pounding because I was expecting an explosion and her to tell me that she was not leaving and calling her dad. But I credit TT for teaching me the proper way to handle the situation. When she showed up at the door, very calmly I said "I guess plans changed, get your things we are going home." She said "right now". I said "Yes, its midnight, your curfew" She turned around silently, got her things and walked out the door that I held open for her. The next day, she apologized tearily to me and said she felt really bad and wouldnt do it again. Well let me tell you when I got home that night, I was jumping up and down in my bedroom (silently of course) because despite everything her dad had done to undermine my authority, I got through to her. I used to be a yeller but the TT program taught me to deliver my message calmly and I have used it so many times recently. It has been a building process, little steps at a time to change my behavior with her which in affect changes her behavior and she had become more compliant. But this one was the goose with the golden egg. THANK YOU TT and James Lehman. There is a God!!!
Comment By : Happy Mom
Comment by Jen made my blood run cold. HOW DARE that cop threaten that girl with "going to a foster home"! I am a FOSTER MOM . . . and it is for love of - and frustration with - a 17-yr-old foster daughter (with a whole alphabet soup of diagnoses) that drove me to FIND this site! I'm still learning
Comment By : jiggs
I can't believe that so many kids act out this way. My child has been this way for years. This will all stop shortly. These articles have helped me so much! Our parents would never have stood for such behavior and I'm not either. Thumbs up to you Sir, God bless you!
Comment By : angelheart
I am having a hal-lay-lu-ha break down. My husband and I are adoptive parents of two older daughters. They came to us at 4 and 8 years old and were finally adopted at 6 and 10. When the oldest was 12, she began a series of behaviors that range from tryancy at school and running away to stealing and "assaulting" us and others in very violent ways too many times to recall. She was institutionized three times (2 of which she broke out of), put in numerous homes and foster homes, in and out of "juvie", and given wonderful opportunities to prove herself with independent living. We failed, she failed, and "the system" failed. She is now 19 years old and I have not seen her outside of a court room for 7 years.
Now her younger sister is following in her footsteps. The oldest has made contact through the years with her younger sister and has caused much turmoil and distress for her younger sister and us. We have taken great pains to assure our youngest daughter's protection, but we now realize the manipulation of her older sister has been on-going for years right under our noise. That coupled with the ignorance of well meaning judges who have denied every restraining order request has left us with little to no hope. Although we have been in almost continual therapy through the years, nothing could address the immediate day-to-day needs of our family and all the elements of it. Our youngest daughter is now a runaway for her second time and we must make plans for her return. We hesitate, yet we know that children are worth every pain-staking moment. We have been through so many channels of different agencies, councelors, and programs. This program gives me hope, if not for my children, then for me. Perhaps that is selfish to say, but we parents need help and hope as well. This is truely a blessing.
Comment By : jg